Legislature(2019 - 2020)BUTROVICH 205

02/19/2020 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:30:46 PM Start
03:31:26 PM Overview: Revenue from Alaska's Resources by the Department of Natural Resources & the Department of Revenue
04:36:26 PM SB155
04:57:08 PM Adjourn
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Revenue from Alaska's Resources by the
Department of Natural Resources & the Department
of Revenue
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= SB 155 EXPLORATION & MINING RIGHTS; ANNUAL LABOR TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
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        SB 155-EXPLORATION & MINING RIGHTS; ANNUAL LABOR                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:36:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE  FOR SENATE BILL NO. 155,  "An Act relating                                                               
to  exploration  and  mining rights;  relating  to  annual  labor                                                               
requirements with  respect to mining  claims and  related leases;                                                               
relating  to statements  of annual  labor; defining  'labor'; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He announced  that there  is a  committee substitute  (CS) before                                                               
the committee for SB 155.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:36:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved to adopt the CS, work order 31-LS1278/G.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:37:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAD   HUTCHINSON,   Senate   Majority  Counsel,   Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, explained  that the changes from the                                                               
CS  came from  the  Alaska Miners  Association  working group  in                                                               
congruence and consultation with DNR  members. The themes to keep                                                               
in mind from the CS is  "notice" and "due process;" the intent is                                                               
to provide miners with clarity on those two fronts.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  said  the  CS  synchs  the language  related  to  all  mining                                                               
statutes and eliminates redundancy,  which the sponsor substitute                                                               
caught. The language  in the bill uses terms  and conditions that                                                               
miners use  out in the field.  The legislation is for  the miners                                                               
and not the attorneys.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed the  changes for  Committee Substitute  for Sponsor                                                               
Substitute for  Senate Bill 155  (CSSSSB 155(RES))-version  G, as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1) On February 19, 2020 the Senate Resources Committee                                                                          
   adopted the following changes (via Committee Substitute                                                                      
   for Sponsor Substitute for Senate Bill 155):                                                                                 
   a) In Section 3 (AS 38.05.190):                                                                                              
    i) Further language clarified that written notice shall                                                                     
        be sent to the owner via  certified mail with return                                                                    
        receipt requested to the most recent address on file                                                                    
        with  the  Department  of   Natural  Resources.  The                                                                    
        interest will be void if the unqualified person does                                                                    
        not cure the defect  within 90 days.  The department                                                                    
        may send an additional copy of the notice by regular                                                                    
        mail.                                                                                                                   
        (1)    The changes  are found on  page 2,  lines 22-                                                                    
          26.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He paraphrased that Section 3  relates to qualifications for                                                                    
exploration and  mineral interests  in Alaska.  Attention to                                                                    
notice and  due process  ensures that an  unqualified person                                                                    
receives written notice and an  opportunity to cure, and the                                                                    
department may send an additional notice document.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
He addressed Section 6 as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   b) In Section 6 (AS 38.05.210(a)):                                                                                           
       i) Language about "common plan of development" was                                                                       
        changed  to  say,  "including  adjacent  federal  or                                                                    
        private  mineral  interests  held  in  common."  The                                                                    
        intent is to distinguish  between terms used  in the                                                                    
        oil and  gas industry  versus mining.  This language                                                                    
        "better fit" commonly understood terms in the mining                                                                    
        industry.                                                                                                               
        (1)    The changes are found on page 4, lines 13-                                                                       
          14.                                                                                                                   
      ii)   or mineral interest" was also added to better                                                                       
        encompass what one may encounter when adjacent                                                                          
       mining interests are held under common ownership.                                                                        
        (1)    The changes are found on page 4, line 15.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHINSON  paraphrased that  Section 6  has to  do with                                                                    
the annual labor  performed to improve or  develop the land.                                                                    
The  section  changes  language  that  frequently  used  and                                                                    
better understood  by miners out  in the field.  The section                                                                    
adds  the  term,  "or mineral  interest,"  and  synchs  with                                                                    
terminology used in the mining statutes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He addressed Section 7 as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   c) In Section 7 (AS 38.05.210(b):                                                                                            
     i) In (7)(C) "equal to" was removed. "Applied toward"                                                                      
        replaced "equal to."                                                                                                    
        (1)     So, now a statement of annual labor must                                                                        
          include "any cash payment to the state applied                                                                        
          toward the value of the labor required under (a)                                                                      
          of this section.                                                                                                      
          (a) Why?                                                                                                              
             (i)    The existing statute at AS 38.05.210(a)                                                                     
               provides that labor may  be satisfied by work                                                                    
               performed in  the current year,  excess value                                                                    
               of work  performed in  prior years,  and cash                                                                    
               paid  equal   to  the  value  of   the  labor                                                                    
               required.  While  this   language  gives  the                                                                    
               miner  the  opportunity  to use  one  of  the                                                                    
               three  methods   to  the  exclusion   of  the                                                                    
               others,  there  is  no obligation  that  such                                                                    
               labor satisfaction  method must  be exclusive                                                                    
               to the others. In  fact, existing practice by                                                                    
               some miners is to  use portions of all three.                                                                    
               Thus, a  miner may use a  cash payment toward                                                                    
               the  labor requirement  to top  off the  work                                                                    
               performed or value of  work from prior years.                                                                    
               Any  cash payments  must be  made before  the                                                                    
               end  of the  assessment  year on  Sept 1  and                                                                    
               generally  before  the   labor  affidavit  is                                                                    
               filed, so referring to the payment in the                                                                        
               past tense on the affidavit is appropriate.                                                                      
        (2)    The changes are found on page 5, line 25.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:41:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HUTCHINSON explained Section 8 as follows:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   d) In Section 8 (AS 38.05.210(c)):                                                                                           
       i) A statement of annual labor can be corrected or                                                                       
        amended before  the 90-day  period after  notice was                                                                    
        sent under AS 38.05.210(g).                                                                                             
        (1)    The  intent  is to  synch  the  90 days  cure                                                                    
          provisions, throughout the statutes.                                                                                  
        (2)    The changes  are found on  page 6,  lines 10-                                                                    
          11.                                                                                                                   
         ii) "A corrected statement following notice of                                                                         
        deficiency  under  (g)  of  this  section  shall  be                                                                    
        recorded within 90 days after the notice is sent[.]"                                                                    
        was eliminated.  The  sentence  was  redundant.  The                                                                    
        sentence previously  existed on  Version K,  page 6,                                                                    
        lines 15-16.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  paraphrased that  Section 8  addresses the  annual labor                                                                    
statement  that  provides due  process  and  the ability  to                                                                    
cure.  The   section  synchs  language  with   other  mining                                                                    
statutes where  the 90-day threshold appears  and eliminates                                                                    
redundancy.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He explained Section 9 as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   e) In Section 9 (AS 38.05.210):                                                                                              
     i) "Shall" was changed to "may." On Version G, page 6,                                                                     
        line 26. The word "may" synchs with Section 3 (which                                                                    
        changed AS 38.05.190).                                                                                                  
       ii) Text was added to protect miners against third                                                                       
        party litigation during the cure period.                                                                                
       (1)    The changes are found on page 7, lines 3-4.                                                                       
     iii) Section (j) from version K was deleted as it was                                                                      
        duplicative  of  the   new  added  language   in  AS                                                                    
        38.05.283 (Section 14 in Version G).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He paraphrased  that the section synchs  annual labor notice                                                                    
language, protects  miners during the cure  period, and does                                                                    
not  compel the  department  to  go back  in  files to  find                                                                    
inaccuracies or typos.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:44:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HUTCHINSON explained Section 10 as follows:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   f) In Section 10 (AS 38.05.240):                                                                                             
       i) "Prospecting" was replaced with "exploring" to                                                                        
       provide more consistency throughout the statutes.                                                                        
        (1)    The  change is  found on  Version G,  page 7,                                                                    
          line 14.                                                                                                              
         ii) The words "in support of prospecting for,                                                                          
        developing, or producing  minerals" were  deleted in                                                                    
        AS 38.05.240(1) because the text  was redundant when                                                                    
        read with the rest of the statutory language.                                                                           
        (1)    The  removed language  previously existed  in                                                                    
          Version K, on page 7, lines 18-19.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He paraphrased that the section defines labor to synch with                                                                     
statutes and eliminates redundancy.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He explained Section 12 as follows:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   g) In Section 12 (AS 38.05.270):                                                                                             
     i) "Evidence of" was included at the beginning of the                                                                      
        statutory language.  One can  record  evidence of  a                                                                    
        transaction, but not the act itself.                                                                                    
        (1)    The change is found on page 9, line 18.                                                                          
       ii) The language involving "heirs and assigns" was                                                                       
        eliminated.  Given   existing   property  law,   the                                                                    
        language did not  add much  value. This  request for                                                                    
        removal came from the Department of Nature Resources                                                                    
        (DNR). There was no objection from the Alaska Miners                                                                    
        Association (AMA) working group.                                                                                        
        (1)    The "heirs  and assigns"  language previously                                                                    
         existed under Version K, page 9, lines 25-26.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  paraphrased that  the section  deals  with transfers  to                                                                    
unqualified  and qualified  interested parties.  The section                                                                    
focuses on  mining by  eliminating language  involving heirs                                                                    
because the process already exists throughout Alaska law.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He addressed Section 14 as follows:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   h) A new Section 14 has been added (AS 38.05.283):                                                                           
    i) The section emphasizes, broadly, that the Department                                                                     
        is not required to go back and review for compliance                                                                    
        to these mining laws.                                                                                                   
       ii) This language was recommended by DNR. AMA does                                                                       
        not object.  AMA  does  not  expect  DNR  to  review                                                                    
        notices or affidavits/statements.                                                                                       
        (1)    See Version G, page 10, lines 10-13.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:47:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HUTCHINSON detailed Section 15 as follows:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   i) Section 15  Applicability:                                                                                                
       i) Language was added for a clear understanding of                                                                       
        applicability:                                                                                                          
        (1)    It now reads:                                                                                                    
          (a)  "APPLICABLITY. (a) AS 38.05.210(a), as                                                                           
             amended  by  sec.  8   of  this  Act,   and  AS                                                                    
             38.05.210(e)-(i), enacted  by  sec.  9 of  this                                                                    
             Act, apply to statements of  annual labor filed                                                                    
             before, on, or after the effective date of this                                                                    
             Act, if, before the effective date of this Act,                                                                    
             a final  decision  or  judgment  has  not  been                                                                    
             entered invalidating the mineral  interest and,                                                                    
             after the final  decision or judgment,  a claim                                                                    
             has not been located or a  leasehold granted on                                                                    
             the affected land."                                                                                                
          (b)  See Version G, page 10, lines 16-21.                                                                             
      ii) In (b), the effective date of section 13 is now                                                                       
        "effective the date of this Act" instead of "July 1,                                                                    
        2020.                                                                                                                   
        (1)    See Version G, page 10, line 23.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI said  the  changes  from the  CS  are good.  He                                                               
pointed out  that the CS  specifies that  the 90-day cure  for an                                                               
annual  labor  statement starts  when  the  department sends  the                                                               
notice.  He asked  if starting  the 90-day  cure would  make more                                                               
sense when the miner receives notice via certified mail.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHINSON agreed  that starting the 90-day  cure period when                                                               
the department  mails the notice  is not necessarily fair  to the                                                               
miners. The  court system deals  with statutes based on  sent out                                                               
versus  actual receipt.  In the  grand scheme  of things,  proper                                                               
notice   should   be   when  received,   something   for   future                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:49:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked  what  prompts the  department  to  send  a                                                               
noncompliance   notice  if   the  departmental   review  language                                                               
specifies that  the department is  not determining  whether there                                                               
is someone out of compliance.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHINSON answered  third parties.  He reiterated  that the                                                               
emphasis is  on not compelling  the department to look  for typos                                                               
or noncompliance  if there  is nothing  else that  gives probable                                                               
cause that there is some sort of problem.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL agreed that there is  no need for the department to                                                               
go through  every file for the  last hundred years of  mining. He                                                               
said  he  is not  clear  on  the  language where  the  department                                                               
decides whether there  is a problem when a third  party brings an                                                               
issue to their attention.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUTCHINSON  answered  that  Senator  Kiehl's  instincts  are                                                               
correct.  He said  the  vision  is the  department  does have  to                                                               
review the  issue and  respond accordingly  if there  is probable                                                               
cause.  He  explained that  the  emphasis  is not  requiring  the                                                               
department to go back unilaterally if nothing exists.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked  if there were comments on  the fiscal note.                                                               
He said he might have some questions before the next meeting.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:51:40 PM                                                                                                                    
He  removed  his  objection  and  announced  that  the  committee                                                               
adopted the working document, version G for SB 155.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He said the fiscal note does not  apply to the CS and that is why                                                               
he asked if there were questions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUTCHINSON stated  that he believes the new  fiscal note does                                                               
apply to the CS.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE  asked Deputy  Commissioner  Goodrum  if the  new                                                               
fiscal note applies to the CS.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:52:13 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENT GOODRUM, Deputy Commissioner,  Alaska Department of Natural                                                               
Resources,  Anchorage,  Alaska,  confirmed  that  the  department                                                               
revised the  fiscal note  to synch  with the CS  for SB  155. The                                                               
department  submitted  the  new   fiscal  note  for  the  current                                                               
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked  that the department review  the fiscal note                                                               
and explain the changes to  confirm that the committee is looking                                                               
at the right fiscal note.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  GOODRUM explained  that the  modified fiscal                                                               
note  reflects  the  departmental  requirement  to  reduce  three                                                               
fulltime positions to  two positions. Money would  also come from                                                               
designated general funds that the mining section generates.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked what the net reduction is.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER  GOODRUM replied that the  reduction is about                                                               
$120,000 from the original fiscal note.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:54:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  noted that public  testimony remains open  for SB
155.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:54:38 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID WRIGHT, representing self,  Fairbanks, Alaska, testified in                                                               
support of the CS  for SB 155. He said he and  his partners own a                                                               
small mining operation  in its fifteenth year.  He disclosed that                                                               
DNR required  the company to  re-stake its mining claim.  DNR and                                                               
the  mining company  incurred costs  to address  the problem.  He                                                               
added that the re-staking also reset  the rent clock to the start                                                               
so there was a loss of revenue to the state.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:55:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE closed public testimony on SB 155.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:56:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE held SB 155 in committee.                                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 155 SS Written Testimony Larry Barsukoff 02.14.2020.pdf SRES 2/19/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 SS Draft CS ver. G 02.18.2020.pdf SRES 2/19/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155
SB 155 SS Explanation of Changes ver. K to Draft CS ver. G 02.18.2020.pdf SRES 2/19/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 155
DNR SRES Presentation MLW DOG Revenue 02.19.2020.pdf SRES 2/19/2020 3:30:00 PM
DNR Presentation to Sen. Res. 02.19.2020
DOR SRES Presentation - Resource Revenues Presentation 02.19.2020.pdf SRES 2/19/2020 3:30:00 PM
Dept. of Revenue Presetnation to Senate Resources 02.19.2020